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David Pecchia's avatar

Douglas Hofstadter wrote a monthly column in Scientific American back in the early 80s called, Metamagical Themas. Many of the columns looked at these issues. These articles were expanded and collected in a volume of the same name.

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I had read most of the existing literature on memetics when I created this diagram ten years ago. it synthesizes a bunch of different sources which I unfortunately don't have at hand anymore. but you may find it useful

https://x.com/deepfates/status/1630609295225266176

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sympathetic opposition's avatar

real

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6jgu1ioxph's avatar

“Traditional: in my head, I use this word to mean something that basically no one else ever means when they use the word “traditional,” but it’s a concept that’s helpful for me and I need a word for.”

Evolutionistx called these “mitochondrial memes”: https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/mitochondrial-memes-part-1/

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sympathetic opposition's avatar

oooh thanks!

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jstr's avatar

Wake up babe, sympopp just posted stack

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The Voice in Your Head's avatar

I'm immediately annoyed I didn't write this, and that I don't know where to find more writing on this. Great connection to the writing workshops, I'm gonna be searching for where else I've read these sorts of things, memetics seems like it's "in the water", but I don't remember reading much explicitly about the environments

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sympathetic opposition's avatar

i havent finished reading it yet but a twitter moot recommended this post! https://takingchildrenseriously.com/the-evolution-of-culture/

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The Voice in Your Head's avatar

I also haven't finished reading the post you linked, but it seems interesting so far.

I tried searching for this topic in the archives of blogs I've read that are TPOT-ish, I found this post from samzdat.com, you might like it because it seems to place import on memorizing poems. https://samzdat.com/2017/03/22/memetics-and-memorization-a-critical-review-of-both/

That post in turn references a Sarah Perry post on ribbonfarm, which I believe I was able to track down as this: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2017/03/02/the-limits-of-epistemic-hygiene/

While looking up posts on this topic on ribbonfarm, I found this other post by Sarah Perry which seems interesting. Really anything with the keyword of 'egregore' may be at least adjacent to what you're talking about. https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2015/05/07/weaponized-sacredness/

I wrote a (bad, meandering) post loosely connected to the idea of the 'viral' environment a while ago, pondering what makes things spread on the internet, trying to connect it to emotions or something. https://theignorantschoolmaster.substack.com/p/what-gets-propagated-online

This was a fun exploration, thanks for spurring it!

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JJHW's avatar

Beyond Virality: Unraveling the Complexities of Memetic Evolution through Computational Science

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Virality-Unraveling-Complexities-Computational/dp/B0CFZFJC3B

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The Voice in Your Head's avatar

This seemed very cool, and I considered buying it, but when trying to look up anything anybody's ever written on it, I couldn't find anything. Looking further at the author, I found that he's written 30+ books on disparate topics, some self-help, some not. Anyway, did you read this book and enjoy it? Did the author put his work in some more trustworthy medium, like a blog? Thanks

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JJHW's avatar

No, it's on my list to buy and read at some point, unfortunately I already have far too much to read.

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