although protestants officially do, in practice someone who says they are catholic is much more likely to believe in the virgin birth then someone who says that they're protestant or nondenom or something, don't you find?
I think probably more likely because liberal protestants are the only ones who would openly deny the virgin birth, but most protestants who aren't in liberal traditions would openly affirm it
i guess probably my experience was A little distorted by the fact that Protestants who try to evangelize to Catholics are probably an intersection of the most conservative and the least Marian
The archetypal protestant line of attack is "Do you really think she stayed a virgin after the birth of Jesus, given she was married and the gospels contain passages that refer to Jesus' siblings?"
It is a specific refutation and attack on the marian dogmas established by the catholic church, one of which is the perpetual virginity.
i don't think that everyone who was talking to me about this was as thoughtful or role oriented as you i'm sorry to say, i think it was largely basically ingroup outgroup stuff
will affirm--in the korean-american protestant communities i've been in--they're generally surprised when they learn that catholics believe in mary's lifelong virginhood. the virgin birth is not really questioned. you're way more likely to see someone question the literal seven days of creation and not be completely opposed to the theory of human evolution
You know you could take well known people today and write about who they would be in the Bible. Who would Trump be? Musk? Etc.. Of course you could turn it round and ask the question who would be the modern day doubting Thomas? Etc. You could be a gateway, maybe even have online discussions with people? Then again you could put up Twitter polls with contemporary people as a possible specific person in the Bible and see where that goes. Good luck.
I have read the Bible. Probably more thoroughly than any other book. And while it is true that some things are much older than people realize, I have real doubts about its modern applicability. Most of the actions people take in the Bible are really dumb, very much including the heroes. We know a lot better now than then.
But if your goal is to get people to read the Bible, I'd note two things. First, reading is not the same as following, so why can't you form a church? Second, you have a blog! Go through it!
but protestants do affirm the virgin birth, they just don't always affirm the perpetual virginity of mary
at least this often came up when prots were trying to convert me, "can you seriously believe in the virgin birth in this day and age" etc
although protestants officially do, in practice someone who says they are catholic is much more likely to believe in the virgin birth then someone who says that they're protestant or nondenom or something, don't you find?
I think probably more likely because liberal protestants are the only ones who would openly deny the virgin birth, but most protestants who aren't in liberal traditions would openly affirm it
i guess probably my experience was A little distorted by the fact that Protestants who try to evangelize to Catholics are probably an intersection of the most conservative and the least Marian
The archetypal protestant line of attack is "Do you really think she stayed a virgin after the birth of Jesus, given she was married and the gospels contain passages that refer to Jesus' siblings?"
It is a specific refutation and attack on the marian dogmas established by the catholic church, one of which is the perpetual virginity.
i don't think that everyone who was talking to me about this was as thoughtful or role oriented as you i'm sorry to say, i think it was largely basically ingroup outgroup stuff
sad, I was such an annoying debatelord back in the day (still probably to this day to some extent) our interactions would have been legendary
will affirm--in the korean-american protestant communities i've been in--they're generally surprised when they learn that catholics believe in mary's lifelong virginhood. the virgin birth is not really questioned. you're way more likely to see someone question the literal seven days of creation and not be completely opposed to the theory of human evolution
I really love “Jesus Christ Superstar” for this reason
You know you could take well known people today and write about who they would be in the Bible. Who would Trump be? Musk? Etc.. Of course you could turn it round and ask the question who would be the modern day doubting Thomas? Etc. You could be a gateway, maybe even have online discussions with people? Then again you could put up Twitter polls with contemporary people as a possible specific person in the Bible and see where that goes. Good luck.
I have read the Bible. Probably more thoroughly than any other book. And while it is true that some things are much older than people realize, I have real doubts about its modern applicability. Most of the actions people take in the Bible are really dumb, very much including the heroes. We know a lot better now than then.
But if your goal is to get people to read the Bible, I'd note two things. First, reading is not the same as following, so why can't you form a church? Second, you have a blog! Go through it!
Please please please read the Bible now that you’re allegedly an adult.